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Friday 27 January 2012

Magnapool Scam - SPASA' s Response



Thanks to some vigilant people I have some more information on the Magnapool Greenwashing Scam and SPASA Qld letter. 

Magnapool are using correspondence from a SPASA Queensland officer as an attempt to vindicate their actions. They have a page on the internet titled "SPASA Qld Investigates and Dismisses Greenwashing Allegations Against Magnapool " The page has a copy of a letter from SPASA Qld which was also posted on the domain forum just before it was suddenly shut down. It would be fair to assume that Magnapool &/or SPASA were responsible for getting the forum shut down due to the fact that they had backed each other into a corner.

As anyone with a gram of grey matter will see the SPASA reply is weak and ambiguous. SPASA has got it wrong on every one of its "appears to be incorrect" comments. 

It is interesting to see that they have removed the name of the person that wrote the SPASA reply but upon further investigation I am told it was most probably David Close an acquaintance of Ross Palmer the owner of the Poolrite/Magnapool brand. I understand David Close recently left SPASA.

The following is a copy of the SPASA letter.


Is there any favoritism or bias that exists between SPASA & Magnapool? 

Later in this post you will see an extract from this years copy of the Queensland Pool & Spa 2012 Edition, a SPASA publication.

SPASA claim that this annual publication is distributed through various sources and every member of the public that makes an enquiry through their organisation will be sent a free copy of the magazine.

The extract in question is designed to explain to less informed readers facets of pool water balance and the different types of sanitising methods available. This type of literature is common place on local authority websites and health department advisory publications, where they are a careful not to promote or benefit individual brands or product names. 

The SPASA article makes no mention of brands except for guess who, yes you got it, Magnapool, who SPASA believe warrant a paragraph all of its own. The scanned upload is not easy to read, the following quote is a copy of the endorsement SPASA have included for Magnapool in the article. 

"Magnapool is an advanced sanitation system based on electrolysing technology delivering an alternative to traditional salt or chlorine dosed pools. Magnapool minerals (rich in magnesium & potassium) are added to the pool water and the Magnapool Hydroxinator generates the sanitising agent in the pool water. This system uses Diamond Kleen media in a high flow rate media filter."

Note comments: "rich in magnesium" and "generates the sanitising agent".

The issue of how "rich in magnesium" along with SPASA's avoidance of the word "chlorine" instead using the word "agent" to promote the system to the readers will be addressed later in this post.

It seems everyone in the industry except SPASA & some Magnapool resellers know that the system is a salt chlorinator. That aside there are many other companies, SPASA members included, using magnesium, potassium, other minerals, glass media and various alternative technologies who apparently in SPASA's opinion don't warrant a mention in this article.

Even more alarming for SPASA members, Sundollar Pools who have an advert on the same page paid $100's possible $1000's for their advert along with the 24 other paying advertisers who are listed on page 2 of this annual publication.  Neither Poolrite or Magnapool are on the list of paying advertisers. Magnapool received free of charge sole brand exposure in an article aimed at potential pool owners looking to gain more knowledge from an organisation claiming to protect their interests. Not????

Take this a step further, SPASA's gets its main income from the annual membership fees paid by its members who come from all areas of the industry including product manufactures, suppliers & resellers who have invested millions some of it in SPASA.

If I were a member selling competing products I would be demanding some answers on this blatant promotion of a competitors product. 



SPASA are actively promoting Magnapool, thereby supporting and adopting the companies deceptive, misleading marketing tactics and the possible offence of "Greenwashing" an existing product. 

When time allows a mass mail out will be sent to all SPASA members to encourage them to level the playing field and get SPASA to have the balls to expose this scam and protect the public rather than braking all the rules to promote it. In the meantime for any doubters I suggest you email SPASA and Professor Ross Barnard for definitive answers to some of the following bullet points. For those that are unaware Professor Ross Barnard, of Qld University is the Professor who Magnapool refer to as the person substantiating their claims of wellbeing and medicinal benefits in their media content and blog posts.

Starting points that should be directed to of all the SPASA state offices and Proffersor Ross Barnard
  • Are SPASA &/or Professor Barnard aware of any trials that have been conducted on bathers swimming in a Magnapool treated pool that supports any of Magnapools well-being or medicinal claims as clearly implied in their marketing medias including their website and youtube videos?
  • Are SPASA &/or Professor Barnard aware of any independent tests that have been conducted to prove whether  there is any measurable uptake of magnesium, potassium or other beneficial minerals that could lead to improved wellbeing or medicinal claims for a Magnapool bather over an above a swim in a pool using any other recognised pool sanitising system?
  • Are SPASA &/or Professor Barnard aware of and tests that have been conducted to prove what percentage of the Daily Recommended Intake (DRI) of magnesium, a bather would expect to absorb through the skin following a 30 minute swim in Magnapool water? 
  • Has Proffessor Barnard or his team conducted any trials on bathers using a Magnapool system that would independently back up the companies claims to the benefits as portrayed in their marketing media? 
  • Is it correct that Professor Barnard and his students have supplied only anecdotal material/reference  to Magnapool and that no tests have ever been conducted or data compiled on the bather exposure in the Magnapool product?
  • Is it correct that none of the Qld University material that Magnapool refer to relates to the low mineral exposure levels a bather would get from a swim in a Magnapool? 
  • Magnapool water contains approximately 500 parts per million of magnesium salts. The Dead Sea contains approximately 40,000 parts per million and magnesium infused therapeutic spas and associated product contain 100,000 + parts per million of the mineral. Do SPASA & Professor Barnard agree that for Magnapool to imply their system offers the same benefits as as a swim in the dead sea or soak in a treatment spa is both deceptive and misleading?  
  • Magnapool pool water contains around 1% - 2% of the magnisium content of the Dead Sea.  Do SPASA or Professor Barnard have the information of how long a Magnapool bather would need to soak in Magnapool to get the same transdermal absorption as a 30 minute soak in the dead sea?
  • Do SPASA & Professor Barnard disagree with my claims that the Magnapools website, videos and other marketing media is misleading and deceptive regarding the references to mineral benefits and the avoidance of the word chlorine? If so on what points do they defend the content?
Enough for now, more to come. Content suggestions welcomed for the proposed mail out to SPASA members. 

Email addresses.

Professor Ross Barnard:  rossbarnard@uq.edu.au

SPASA: info@spasa.org.au  info@spasavic.com.au  spasa@neonet.com.au info@spasa.com.au







77 comments:

  1. Just read your blog, excellent work. You have certainly raised many questions re the product Magnapool and how it is being marketed.
    We are waiting with bated breath on the responses to your points from SPASA and Professor Bernard.

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  2. Interesting, hurry up with the mail out. As a SPASA member promoting competing products I look forward to SPASA's explanation.

    If SPASA have made an error they better be quick to correct it to protect their integrity within the industry and more importantly the public. Everyone I speak to saw through this BS from the start, even the ones selling it.

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  3. have you ever heard of the term "sock puppetry".?

    I guess 1 Pooltech is now talking too is now talking to himself .
    How obvious .
    Mr. Anonymous 28/2/2012.
    Could you please inform us as to the identity of your company and SPASA membership ?
    Probably not as I suspect that this particular post will also be shut down by the grand "internet troll " who owns it.
    Nobody objects to freedom of speech & that is fine ,but outright "commercial trolling" and cyber terrorism against legitimate corporations are another thing.
    With over 7000 satisfied customers worldwide the product speaks for itself.
    Could you pleasem tell us about your competing product so that we can make up our own minds ?

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  4. Hi Magnapool

    Why don't you just answer the points raised in the forum and if they are valid and irrefutable you will be vindicated.

    The longer you evade the issues raised the guilt-er you look.

    Pretty simple DOH!

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  5. Isn't it illegal in Australia to disclose people's contact details, like those emails, without their permission?

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  6. No, the Prof's email addresses is available if you google his profile page and Magnapool published SPASA's with the SPASA letter they put up.

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  8. The phrase “internet troll” comes up often from the Magnapool team, usually in an attempt to divert readers’ attention from the topic.

    Magnapool are quoting Professors Ross Barnard and Queensland University’s good name and reputation to promote their product in a false, misleading and deceptive manner. Coincidently while researching more about the definition of “trolling”, I came across and article that included some comments from a fellow Professor at Queensland University, Dr Axel Bruns.

    Extract from the article.

    Start …
    Dr Axel Bruns associate professor of creative industries and social media research at Queensland University of Technology, claims trolling is an "art form similar to the radical situationist artistic movements of the early 20th Century".
    "Trolling is a kind of radical experiment with the boundaries of what you can do online."

    For every accomplished troll there are hundreds more who enjoy disrupting the web for disruption's sake. But even these trolls served a purpose, Dr Bruns said.
    "On the internet there’s always a tendency to say, 'I don’t agree with you so you must be stupid'," he said.
    But trolls do actually give something back to the pockets of people on the internet who spend all their time online talking about how right they are.
    "The trolling can actually be quite healthy," Dr Bruns said. "That troll is actually doing a service. They inform them, try to get information through to them.
    "But yet the people who are there who all share similar views might still see you as a troll simply because you present an opposing view."
    In some cases, trolling is not only acceptable, it is encouraged.
    "If you end up disrupting a pro-whaling discussion group, or a white supremacist site - technically you are going there to disrupt that board...but I imagine a lot of people would have sympathy for that," Dr Bruns said. End….

    I would like to hear each Professors thoughts after they read through the Magnapools website and watch the linked promotional videos.

    Lets not forget where all this started.

    Magnapool rebadged its existing Poolrite equipment, mixed a very low amount of magnesium and potassium chloride with sodium chloride.

    In reality the simple blending of the chlorides is the only thing that Poolrite changed from its existing product line to launch Magnapool. The pump, filter, filter media, salt chlorinator were all 100% existing Poolrite products widely available.

    It is now evident that Professor Barnard and his students have conducted zero tests or experiments on Magnapool water. It is also evident that Magnapool uses minuscule rates of magnesium compared to that of the Dead Sea. It is also evident that Magnapool seek to mislead/deceive any and all readers and viewers of its advertising media that it is indeed comparable to the Dead Sea water. The facts are, it produces the same chlorine sanitising agent as and other salt water chlorinator something that the owner was clearly trying to deny on previous the whirlpool blog, making it very clear of his modus operandi from the onset.

    Wikipedia description of one definition of Greenwashing:

    “The term is generally used when significantly more money or time has been spent advertising being green (that is, operating with consideration for the environment), rather than spending resources on environmentally sound practices. This is often portrayed by changing the name or label of a product to evoke the natural environment or nature—for example, putting an image of a forest on a bottle containing harmful chemicals. “

    Can there ever be a better example of Greenwashing than what Poolrite have done by launching the Magnapool system.

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  11. Magnapool this is not an advertising platform or self praise blog for your staff. There are plenty off questions and accusations waiting your reply. When time allows I will list them once again just in case you have lost track of the relevant points.

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  12. I still do not understand why Google allows sites such as these to post messages unmoderated .

    Nobody minds free speech ,but obvious lying and defamation about students & academic research is another story.
    You can now view the full pdf versions of the 3 research
    papers on www.magnapool.com

    If this post survives which on past experinece on this site it most probably will not ,then a visit to www.poolrite.tv can dispell the myths regarding polystyrene products that never reach the light of day.

    A visit to the Poolrite factory in Queensland shows a real eco system tank on display in the foyer.

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      Please note that the publishing of these research papers is the responsibility of the respective authors through their academic institutions in due course. Once published, Poolrite and MagnaPool will edit these papers for non-scientific readability with the respective author's permission.

      What payment was exchanged for the reasearch? (it won't get done for free)
      Is the person reviewing the research monetarily compensated by the company looking to have a product or claim reviewed?
      Is there full disclosure of payments made?

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  13. To "once in a while" Mr.Magnapool, why did you put the full pdf file of your so called "independent" research on your web site?
    This only confirms the allegations on misleading and deceptive marketing by Magnapool on your many marketing vehicles.

    http://www.magnapool.com/assets/health-effects-of-magnapool-minerals-through-transdermal-absorption-by-navin-chandrasekaren.pdf

    1/ There has been NO clinical research done on a Magnapool swimming pool on the benefits to humans from transdermal or any other absorption of the minerals in the water.

    2/ All the health benefits claimed in your marketing litrature are heresay none being verified by any clinical research.

    3/ All the endorsements of your product appear to be paid employees.

    4/ This so called research is a 3 month project set up last Sept to try and validated the previous false misleading and deceptive marketing of Magnapool that was in the public domain for a long time prior to Sept 2011.

    5/The result of Magnapools published research only validation is to this and many other forums that have outed Magnapool as a Greenwashed scam.

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  14. Fair go! You can't rubbish all the independent research then demand more independent research.

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  15. "Fair go! You can't rubbish all the independent research then demand more independent research"

    You must be having a laugh, People credited on the second page of this Poolrite fabricated document.

    POORITE EQUIPMENT QLD.

    Grant Brooks
    Executive Manager, Magnapool and Export.
    gbrooks@magnapool.com
    0409346654

    Wayne Taylor
    Chief Engineer, Compliance, Environment and Sustainability
    wtaylor@poolrite.com.au
    0447002411

    Vanessa Saleh
    Magnapool Creative Director & Spa Wellness Director??????
    vsaleh@magnapool.com

    INDEPENDENT RESEARCH...NO WAY!!!!!!

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  16. Once in a while your comment
    "Nobody minds free speech ,but obvious lying and defamation about students & academic research is another story.
    You can now view the full pdf versions of the 3 research
    papers on www.magnapool.com"

    What lies & defamation about student & academic research are you referring to. Please list so I can reply.

    You have directed readers to your research papers a the following link

    http://www.magnapool.com/assets/health-effects-of-magnapool-minerals-through-transdermal-absorption-by-navin-chandrasekaren.pdf

    Anyone taking the trouble to read it will see that there is nothing in this research paper that remotely relates to Magnapool or the extremely low levels of magnesium in Magnapool water, which contains about 1% of the magnesium level of that used in the anecdotal material the author is referencing.

    This research document does nothing more than back up my claim that your companies policy is to promote sales by deliberately misleading and deceiving the public and you intentionally green-washed existing products to do so.

    Similarly, in this very forum you have tried to mislead readers into believing yours is the only system to run at lower chlorine levels in some parts of europe when in fact it applies to any chlorine system in those areas.


    Similarly, you were caught out near the start of the whirlpool Magnapool forum lying to readers and misleading them into believing your system was chlorine free

    I can go on and on with examples of your lies, deception and defamation of individuals.

    Look forward to receiving more details on the alleged list of lies and defamation I have posted. So that I can reply to readers.

    But no more advertising or staff self praising, stay on topic or get deleted.

    No I am not Frank. No I have never worked for Astral

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  17. I think SPASA might know a little more about the topic and done slightly more research.
    In 2010 the Australian Federal Government's Excellence in Research for Australia (ERA) assessment confirmed UQ as one of the nation's top two universities, measured on a combination of research quality and breadth.

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  19. Come on Magnapool, cut the crap!
    Some student funded by Poolrite trolls the internet collects some info on Magnesium in water and then puts it in a document and recommends that clinical research is required on an actual Magnapool.
    Clinical research on a Magnapool will never happen as there is not enough Magnesium in a Magnapool to have any benefit what so ever. SCAM SCAM SCAM!
    Every pool person that sees and read about Magnapool can see through it in a heartbeat.

    Magnapool is a fraud operated by charlatons.

    SALT WATER CHLORINATOR SPIN SPIN SPIN.

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  20. MagnaPool has undertaken more independent research then other manufacturer. Sounds your grapes may be sour, My Anonymous. Do your homework and present the truth!

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  21. I read the studies8 March 2012 at 14:51

    There has been a lot of criticism of the studies that were conducted, but the research looks good to me.

    They were independently conducted, but initiated by the company. That's not a conflict of interest, gentlemen and ladies, but how these things are done.

    It's also common sense, Magnapool corporation had to make the independent studies happen. But after initiating it they have to accept the results, good or bad.

    Luckily for them the results support Magnapool corporation and that's unlucky for their competitors. But the results supporting Magnapool stand, they aren't cast into doubt for being inconvenient to competitors.

    No doubt that's why Magnapool proudly displays them on their page? They have nothing to hide.

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  22. Only Magnapool people support this deception and lies, as said before anybody with half an eye can see thru this con in a heart beat.

    The university study that is being used to try and justify this fraud was as highlighted earlier. A student trolling the internet for studies on Magnesium in water putting a document together nothing to do with independent clinical trial on a Magnapool.

    Then the student recommended that clinical research be done on a Magnapool.

    This by the way will never happen as the findings of any clinical research on a Magnapool would show there is not enough Magnesium in a Magnapool to have any benefit to humans.

    This is plainly evident to us thru the changing marketing strategy of Magnapool/Poolrite. They are attempting to bring out even more dodgy products to get the heat of the Magnapool scam.

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  23. The Leveller said...
    I think SPASA might know a little more about the topic and done slightly more research.
    In 2010 the Australian Federal Government's Excellence in Research for Australia (ERA) assessment confirmed UQ as one of the nation's top two universities, measured on a combination of research quality and breadth.

    Pooltech1

    SPASA will be asked to produce that research they based this on in the near future.

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  24. The Leveller said...
    I think SPASA might know a little more about the topic and done slightly more research.
    In 2010 the Australian Federal Government's Excellence in Research for Australia (ERA) assessment confirmed UQ as one of the nation's top two universities, measured on a combination of research quality and breadth.

    Pooltech1

    SPASA will be asked to produce that research they based this on in the near future.

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  25. Comment deleted11 March 2012 at 19:51

    This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.

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  26. 1 Pooltech .

    My name is Adrian Hart & I have taken David Close's position at SPASA.
    You say that Mr.Palmer is a close personal friend of David.
    That is simply not true .
    David has probably seen Mr. Palmer about 6 times in the 12 years that Poolrite has been an associate member.
    It is quite unfair to categorize Magnapool as being endorsed by SPASA & that we overlooked the obvious.
    magnapool & Poolrite have gone above & beyond what would normally be expected of an associate member.
    SPASA is primarily there for it's Pool Builder membership & more than 50% of our members are not Magnapool Dealers.

    If there had been any problems with Magnapool Research or claims then the non dealers would have complained & they have not.

    I am not sure what more you would like me to do.
    Can you call me at SPASA Queensland & could you please take down the "defamatory remarks" about SPASA .

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  27. To Mr. Adrian Hart (SPASA)

    I do not see any defamatory statements in the original header. What I do see is a lot of awkward and uncomfortable questions that SPASA has to answer in regards there actions in regards to there endorsement of Magnapools salt water chlorinator. The quicker these questions are addressed/answered the better.

    Starting points that should be directed to of all the SPASA state offices and Proffersor Ross Barnard

    Are SPASA &/or Professor Barnard aware of any trials that have been conducted on bathers swimming in a Magnapool treated pool that supports any of Magnapools well-being or medicinal claims as clearly implied in their marketing medias including their website and youtube videos?

    Are SPASA &/or Professor Barnard aware of any independent tests that have been conducted to prove whether there is any measurable uptake of magnesium, potassium or other beneficial minerals that could lead to improved wellbeing or medicinal claims for a Magnapool bather over an above a swim in a pool using any other recognised pool sanitising system?

    Are SPASA &/or Professor Barnard aware of and tests that have been conducted to prove what percentage of the Daily Recommended Intake (DRI) of magnesium, a bather would expect to absorb through the skin following a 30 minute swim in Magnapool water?

    Professor Barnard or his team conducted any trials on bathers using a Magnapool system that would independently back up the companies claims to the benefits as portrayed in their marketing media?

    Is it correct that Professor Barnard and his students have supplied only anecdotal material/reference to Magnapool and that no tests have ever been conducted or data compiled on the bather exposure in the Magnapool product?

    Is it correct that none of the Qld University material that Magnapool refer to relates to the low mineral exposure levels a bather would get from a swim in a Magnapool?
    Magnapool water contains approximately 500 parts per million of magnesium salts. The Dead Sea contains approximately 40,000 parts per million and magnesium infused therapeutic spas and associated product contain 100,000 + parts per million of the mineral.

    Do SPASA & Professor Barnard agree that for Magnapool to imply their system offers the same benefits as as a swim in the dead sea or soak in a treatment spa is both deceptive and misleading?

    Magnapool pool water contains around 1% - 2% of the magnisium content of the Dead Sea. Do SPASA or Professor Barnard have the information of how long a Magnapool bather would need to soak in Magnapool to get the same transdermal absorption as a 30 minute soak in the dead sea?

    Do SPASA & Professor Barnard disagree with my claims that the Magnapools website, videos and other marketing media is misleading and deceptive regarding the references to mineral benefits and the avoidance of the word chlorine?

    If so on what points do they defend the content?

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  28. To Mr Adrian Hart The previous poster has already pasted a copy of my earlier questions directed to SPASA and Professor Barnard. You asked what more can you do. Simple, address each point and give SPASA's position and detailed answers based on facts & independent research ignoring anything Magnapool has supplied you

    I am confident that at the magnisium levels that Magnapool are operating there is absolutely no medicinal or well being benefits for the avarage residential pool owner/bather. I am also confident that the original Magnapool system advertised on their website (recently designed to look different) was simply existing Poolrite equipment misleadingly advertised as a salt chlorinator alternative with deceiving terminology in an attempt to convince prospective purchasers it is not a salt chlorinator producing chlorine through electrolysis. I am also confident that Magnapool/Poolrites actions meet the definition and offence of "green washing" existing products.

    I have many peer reviews/comments and private emails from around the world that agree with my views and can find none that disagree apart from SPASA QLD, Magnapool staff and their resellers. The transcripts from varius blogs are recorded as are copies of Magnapools website and videos. Examples of the companies intent to deceive are blatant and continue even on this site.

    SPASA Qld singled out Magnapool as a "new" alternative system in its annual magazine.

    Please explain how SPASA saw fit to endorse the Magnapool system over other products in its annual magazine and what research you have seen that has been conducted on Magnapool water/bathers that warranted SPASA decision to single out and promote this brand name. My research indicates there has been no research and it is all circumspect to date.

    Please explain to me & other readers how you justify your support for Magnapool and SPASA's integrity as an industry body advising the public.

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  29. Will be interesting to see what Adrian does.

    You know what new brooms are supposed to do "sweep clean".

    Lets hope Adrian has the fortitude and has a good old fashioned clean up of his organisation.

    Not holding my breathe.

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  30. 1Pooltech and the courageous anonymous attackers, you must feel so empowered hiding behind your temporary cloak anonymity, deleting any comment that disagrees with your stance. Please provide your credentials for all an sundry, if you have any. You profess to be of a higher authority then UQ and SPASA. I would also like to see your independent studies to back it up. At least MagnaPool are open and honest, willing to debate seriously.

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  31. Knock Knock...... where's Adrian from SPASA?

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  32. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/pool-warranty-fund-drained/story-e6freoof-1226332112964

    Me thinks we just found why Adrian went missing in action, click on the link above SPASA are in a right mess!!!!

    Where has all the $7 million gone???

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  33. http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/queensland/pool-warranty-fund-drained/story-e6freoof-1226332112964

    http://www.couriermail.com.au/ipad/ex-pool-boss-in-deep-end-over-fund/story-fn6ck45n-1226333627269



    THE TRUTH STARTING TO COME OUT!!!!

    SPASA vindicates Magnapool Greenwashing SCAM, LOL, more like SPASA implacates Magnapool in another SCAM.

    Might be worth the Courier Mail investigating, if they are not already the people and companies behind N.S.P.I Australia.

    This news has only broke, watch this space for up dates. We suspect there are a lot of people very worried today.

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  34. FACT.
    Ex CEO of SPASA a paid mouth piece of MAGNAPOOL

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  35. anonymous said......
    FACT.

    Ex CEO of Phoenix Pool Equipment a paid mouthpiece of European Pool Equipment Company

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  36. Please read the blog header which was posted months ago.And now only in the last week or so what has came to light regarding SPASA?
    The ex CEO of SPASA that had done all the endorsing and supposed vindication of Magnapool is now being investigated by SPASA for the dissapearance of 7 Million Dollars of SPASA funds. SPASA is now almost bankrupt they are selling everything they own just to keep afloat.
    Magnapool and the ex CEO of SPASA should be worried .
    How much did Ross pay David?

    PS who cares about Phoenix Pool Equipment

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  37. Just another point for you all to note relating to the Magnapool and Spasa relationship. Magnapool is the only brandname or company name (apart from NSPI)to be mentioned in the SPASA handover booklet.
    I know other manufacturers would give an arm and a leg to be in there just for the added credibility it portrays.

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  38. Proof in the pie

    I've now built over 100 magnapools and they all use my shop too. I don't have any bad reports to share. Just face it Magnapool works and well at that. These blogs only help me sell Magnapool because the customer can clearly see that it is full of competitors BS.

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  39. Proof in the pie
    Nobody has ever said that Magnapool doesn't work. Its a Greenwashed poolrite S4000 chlorinator and they work well.
    This is the point.
    You are a pool builder with a pool shop perfect for you and Poolrite.
    If you are selling Magnapool you must be a selected Magnapool reseller in the Magnapool contractors list.
    Selling a vastly overpriced Magnapool salt water chlorinator at a huge margin for you.
    As you highlighted you are also a pool shop so these Magnapool customers have to buy the secret Magnapool salt from you at a vastly inflated price.

    A marketing scam with an old Poolrite chlorinator.

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  40. Proof in the pie
    Cop it on the chin, your upset that someone has made a system that delivers great water AND IS NOT more $$$$ in running cost to a salty. My magna customers sell the system to my salt customers while they wait in line at my shop, I don't need to say a thing.
    I am not and plan never to be a SPASA member i think they are a big boys club, but they are not going to tell anyone from the industry that they can't advertise with them.

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  41. Proof in the pie
    It seems strange that I state the facts and there is no reply.

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  42. Anonymous said...
    Proof in the pie
    "It seems strange that I state the facts and there is no reply."

    HI PROOF IN THE PIE, MAYBE IF YOU EVER STATE A RELEVANT FACT THAT DOES DISPUTE THE GREENWASHED CHLORINATOR YOU WILL BE VINDICATED......WILL NOT HAPPEN!
    PS PLS DON'T USE SPASA AGAIN THEY HAVE LESS CRED THAN YOU Ha Ha!

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  43. One thing that I have to say about the addition of Magnesium in swimming pools in Australia,
    The reasearch that I have been able to find points at problems where the Magnesium is used as a De icer on concrete based surfaces. Not in a swimming pool where there is not freezing and thawing.

    You don't find too many swimming pools in Australia where the pool freezes over in winter (yet, lookout global warming or is that global freezing)

    Correct me if I am incorrect.

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  44. I should also have mentioned that there are chlorinator manufacturers that have been reccomending and selling Magnesium based product into the pool industry for more than 30 years.
    Not to understate chlorinators that can run on sea water.
    There is plenty of Magnesium and Potassium chloride in sea water, why not either dilute that or just use it as it is.
    You would still produce chlorine by converting the chloride to chlorine and have the same benefits that is being claimed in the fancy patent, (if there are really any) with a chlorinator that is a lot less expensive.
    The electrode for sea water is much smaller and lower cost.
    You might have to dilute it significantly before putting it on your garden, but then again you could put it back where it came from providing it was sterile.

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  45. Hello all, my name is Adrian Hart. I am the CEO & Secretary of SPASA Qld. Please note this is the first time I have posted to this site. My work email is adrian@spasa.com.au and my phone number is 3252 6777. Feel free to contact me if you have any queries in regards to the operations and future directions of the Swimming Pool and Spa Association of Queensland.

    If anyone is interested in an opportunity to network in a postivive fashion where anyone involved in the industry is enouraged to share their knowledge, information and experience then feel free to join our LinkedIn group - Qld Pool & Spa Professionals. Go to: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=4546630&trk=hb_side_g

    Regards
    Adrian H.

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  46. Works great for me.

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  47. Who gives a shit anyway. This crappy product wont be in the market much longer Ross Palmer is so broke he can't even afford to pay attention to how his company has been trading insolvent for years.

    No one is getting anything from Poolrite, no product in the market, no pay for staff, no payments to suppliers. I don't understand how the government allows this to continue. Shut that shit down please.

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    1. Seem to have trouble having posts accepted.

      Fact.

      You get more Mg out of 1 Swisse Magnesium pill than you do out of swimming in a Magnapool 5 hours a day for 5 years.


      And you save $10,000.

      Yes it is all over.

      Parking lot firesale of all stock next Wednesday.

      Completely gonski.

      Insolvent trading these days gives you time at her majesties pleasure.

      Wonder how Rossi La Peau will handle that?

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    2. Receiver appointed today, in on monday.

      All over red rover.

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  48. Really?

    Last time I checked ASIC there was nothing reported.

    Go back to your hole and stop spreading rumours!

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  49. If this is true, I find it disgraceful that you can take great glee in the demise of an Aussie company. More Australians out of work and they and their families will be the ones to suffer. You have obviously had an axe to grind with owner of the company and it would appear that you have to much intimate knowledge of everything Palmer, not to be the dismissed Ex CEO as previously stated by someone in this blog. Whatever the reason for the downfall of this company, its a sad day for employees.

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    1. Above post, I agree with you 100%.

      There is no glee in this disaster and there will be many innocent victims.

      There is only one reason for the downfall of this company and that is one Ross Leslie Palmer and his total stupidity.

      As an ex employee, dismissed without cause and had zero payout perhaps the ex CEO may also have been a victim.

      And he has spent $100,000 plus in his attempt to rectify the wrongs.

      Join the rest of the Ross Palmer wronged.

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  50. >>>Read Between the Lines<<<<<<

    Sent: Monday, September 03, 2012
    Subject: Poolrite Spring Stock Clearance Sale.

    Dear valued customer,
    I would like to invite you all to our Poolrite Spring Stock Clearance Sale to be held at our Poolrite NSW Branch this Thursday 6th September between 10am -2pm. This is your opportunity to take advantage of some huge, never seen before bargains. Pricing will be close to manufacturers costs on a vast array of products so take advantage before the summer season is upon us.

    Please RSVP by Wednesday 5th September 2pm

    We look forward to seeing you here.

    Many thanks,

    NSW Branch Manager


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  51. Not entirely sure of your point?

    How is it different to any other supplier that sends out "early buys"

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  52. Followed by a meeting of Poolrite creditors at Pacific Golf Club on thursday.
    Do not see too many suppliers following this trend do you.

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  53. Frank Slowviak, you are a sick, twisted and bitter old man. I don't know you and you don't know me but as an employee of Poolrite I lay awake in bed at midnight thinking about my future and that of my family while you can think of nothing else than this long drawn out grudge against Ross Palmer.
    Never mind the hundreds of people who's employment fate is now in the hands of administrators, so long as you feel vindicated, then I can go to work tomorrow with a spring in my step.
    You see Frank, in your hypocrisy in trolling the Internet for years to slander Poolrite and illustrate the sickness of Ross Palmer, you have demonstrated your own mental illness, self centered nature, and complete disregard for the INNOCENT parties involved.
    Where we are today is not a result of your commitment to our failure, and I find your recent gloating distasteful and indicative of a man who was relinquished as CEO for his insubordination, lack of people skills and inconsiderate selfish nature.
    While my family sleeps, I'm thinking about the work day ahead. I also reflect on the great relationships I have formed with both customers and colleagues alike in my years with Poolrite. I haven't met one person (and yes we know all the same people) that have anything nice to say about you. I hope that by reading this you opt for a less public and more tactful end to your slanderous trolling if only for the sakes of my fellow employees and their famílies.
    I choose anonimity to post as en employee of t'he company.

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  54. Well said mate. I hope you guys manage to get through this.

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  55. How desperate are you, Astrid Kunz motor racing groupy. You must be kidding me.

    What about the hundreds of creditors owed millions and you still expect to get your salary.

    Insolvent trading is a criminal offence.

    Get real and wake up to yourself.

    Only ones left are those incapable of contributing and prepared to blow hot air up this imbeciles arse.

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    1. How dare you. I won't be painted with that brush. Get a life.

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    2. Tut,Tut, and what part of the $40 million loss were you responsible for?

      Perhaps you expect the administrator to allow you to continue with this pathetic business plan and moribund management so you can peacfully lose millions more.

      Allow Ross Palmer, the Peter Foster of the pool industry, with his ridiculous ideas and greenwashing inventions to dupe more inocent customers.

      Do not think so.

      Perhaps you can book a bed at The Newfarm Clinic as well.

      Ha, ha, get a stick and put this stupidity that was Poolrite to a appropriate death. Kill it before it causes more damage.

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    1. FOR THE RECORD,
      Injection moulding tooling being taken out of Poolrite Mt Gravatt at 5.15pm tonight, onto a Freighter semi with 5/6 characters surpervising, including a ginger nut character supervising.

      All photographed for the record.

      Where are we going trying to buy time while we dispose and hide the assets.

      Ross out of the funny fun and clearly up to tricks at the expense of Poolrite creditors.

      Get away with this. Do not think so and a jail cell awaits.

      Ex CEO Frank Slowiak.

      Owed some $600,000 for breach of contract and unpaid entitlements. contract.

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  57. Maybe you can share a cell together Frank. I am sure the creditors you duped through your own bankruptcy would like to see that! Are you sure you are the man fit to judge peoples morals? Did you fulfill all of your legal obligations under the bankruptcy act while you were running Poolrite?

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    1. Ross,
      Actually I did 100% and you knew about that before I agreed to join Poolrite and you structured it for me. Thank you for that.There was only 1 creditor the ATO.No one else. Yes I paid my trustee everything under the arrangement and was duly discharged. I trust you will do the same thing with your bankruptcy.

      One thing there were no employee non paid entitlements, unlike your $1.4 million in Poolrite, not to mention no final wages etc, how could you?.

      Nor did I run a company that turned over $300million and did not pay one single dollar in Income tax, what a clever fellow you are Ross. Wonder what the ATO are going to do about that when they discover your little arrangements.

      And today we discover from you, via your own family leaks, that you are in fact getting a royalty from the Evolve/Poolrite license scam. From your own mouth Ross and yon wonder why evereyone is up in arms.Never could keep your mouth shut.

      Trust me, tuesday will pull this fraudulent scam away from you.

      And Chateau La shit in Lyon is still going, Non Monsewer, this will also not be allowed.

      Have a nice day Rossi La Peau Palmer.

      Your former aquantance .

      Chateau Pap de Neuf.

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  58. Frank,

    I don't understand why you sit on this website slandering everyone.

    What damage is it doing to your business?

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    1. None.I get enormous support for this.
      Tuesday will deliver.
      My claim $658,000, that gives me sufficient justification.
      regards to the cane toad.

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    2. And just had a record month with ten days to go.
      Ross, you need to keep taking your medicine and try and relax.

      You and I are they only idiots who read this site.

      What will you do Ross, when the rorts are all over.

      Is the crow still on board?

      Mate the ex Poolrites are everywhere and doing very well. All you had to do was shut your mouth and let it happen. And what did you do, stick your ignorant nose in and screw it all up.

      Slander, what slander? The truth will always come out, bit like karma.

      Ross, you do not have one single supporter in the world, you screwed over everyone in the last 25 years and hurray your turn is coming.

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  59. Step aside frank some of the other redundant unpaid workers are far more deserving of their entitlements. Was it you that bought a rifle into the poolrite premise to shoot some pigeons??

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  60. You are a joke Frank - as if you get enormous support! What world are you living in?

    No business owner should "just shut their mouth and let it happen"

    From memory you were once CEO of Poolrite...I'm pretty sure that's when Poolrite started to go downhill.

    You can't have your cake and eat it to Frank

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    1. Ross,
      Please take your pills and try to deal with the horrendous legacy you have created.

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  61. Well, have you all caught up with the latest on the "old Cane Toad's" manipulations.
    - ripped off every supplier
    -liquidated Poolrite
    -plundered the family inheritance and not paid rent for 6 years.
    -did a shady deal with Evolve and got caught out.
    -abused and ripped off all the staff.
    - failed to pay super for the staff.
    - Administrator advised has traded insolvent for several months before the administration
    -failed to pay tax for himself the family recipients from Poolrite etc.

    Now seems to have found $100,000 to get out of insolvent trading and transfer the IP to Aquarius and not have any action against him. Wants to also keep Serica, Cow Bay and numerous other assets.

    And he is filing for bankruptcy while all this is going on, this attempt on behalf of Poolrite/Poolrite Reseach is highly illegal.

    THIS BLOKE IS A COMPLETE JOKE AND SHOULD BE FIRMLY SAT ON HIS FAT ASS.WHAT A DECEPTIVE BULLY AND TOTALLY DISREPUTABLE PIG OF A MAN.

    ANY OTHER COMMENTS PLEASE FEEL FREE.

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  62. Evolve set to go the same way if they start selling that magnapool shit again. Renaming it element minerals won't fool any one.

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  63. Just read through this blog again. It seems that everything you said was correct. Well done for warning those that listened. Unfortunately I did not and now have a worthless piece of shit that I paid a fortune for.

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  64. Hi all, in case you have not had the opportunity to be informed here is the latest on the cane toad and his crow.

    His self appointed bankruptcy trustee has been dismissed and Wespac have Pitcher partners in Melbourne appointed to pursue the chase of what is hidden $millions very craftily stashed away.

    Seems he has fabricated a family court split with the crow and has allowed the following transfers to be made to her from asset sales within a hairs breath of the bankruptcy.
    Sale of a property in Hua Hin Thailand, some $200,000 to the crow, illegal and will be clawed back.
    Sale of RQ berth $140,000 transferred to the crow, again will be clawed back.
    Continues to run Aquarius on a daily basis and they had a birthday party for him recently where he and the crow attended together. Not much of a separation the4re, what a clever/stupid fellow.
    Information that monies regularly transferred to his trustee Astrid Kuntz in Germany from Aquarius and available to him via credit card.
    Bills paid directly by Aquarius.

    Just a few of the machinations and there are many more that Pitchers have uncovered and will continue to uncover.

    Well Rossi La Peu you think you are above the law but will get a very rude shock shortly.

    An old and continued adversary,
    Chateau Pap de Nouf.

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    1. Thank you Chateau Pap de Neuf, ever vigilant I see.
      To the above add purchased a house in Waverley, gated Manly new estate, for around $1million.Paid in cash from one of HIS OWN TRUSTS, not the family estate. Pitcher onto this also.
      What next further donations to the "Namaste" woman perhaps?

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  65. Anonymous is Frank Sloviak. Ex Poolrite bitter batter.

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